Fourth-Way Flotsam (Gurdjieff-Ouspensky Gobbledygook)

by L. Ron Gardner

I briefly participated in a Gurdjieff-Ouspensky group in San Diego in 1971. The group didn’t even suggest that I read anything by Gurdjieff. Instead, they recommended P.D. Ouspensky’s “In Search of the Miraculous” – probably because they knew that Gurdjieff hadn’t written anything very useful for spiritual seekers. Unimpressed with the group and “the Fourth Way,” I left Gurdjieff and Ouspensky in my rear-view mirror and focused my attention on other spiritual paths.

Now, decades later, I’ve reviewed Ouspensky’s “In Search of the Miraculous” (two stars) and Gurdjieff’s “Meetings with Remarkable Men” (two stars) and “Beelzebub’s Tales to His Grandson” (one star) at Amazon, and I’ve decided to post the reviews here to make clear my POV on “the Fourth Way.”

Eckhart Tolle-Level Dharma

I first read “In Search of the Miraculous” forty years ago, when I was just beginning my "Journey to the East." And just for fun, I decided to get another copy--my original one is long gone--and review it from my perspective as a long-time serious student of mysticism and occultism. In the four decade interval between my two readings, I've devoted myself to studying, practicing, and teaching original, Zen, and Tibetan Buddhism; Hindu Raja, Jnana, and Tantra yoga; Christian Hermeticsm; the Kabbalah (and Qabala); and the teachings of J. Krishnamurti and Adi Da. I have also practiced astrology professionally, and worked with the I Ching and Tarot.

I could write a book deconstructing Gurdjieff's teachings (as I have Eckhart Tolle's), but because these teachings are not mainstream New Age popular, it wouldn't be worth my time and effort. In this review, I will have to limit my critique to specific aspects of Gurdjieff's teachings.

The Gurdjieff teaching is essentially a blend of three approaches to "understanding"--1) cosmological, 2) psychological, and 3) gnostic. I'll briefly consider each.

1) An overwhelming proportion of the book focuses on cosmology; and this perhaps reflects Ouspensky's extreme interest in the subject. Unfortunately, much of Gurdjieff's cosmology is pure bullcrap, yet he spits it out as if it were gospel truth rather than just far-out speculative theory. His description of the moon, for example, is a hoot: "For instance, the evolution of humanity beyond a certain point, or to speak more correctly, above a certain percentage, would be fatal for the moon. The moon at present feeds on organic life, on humanity. Humanity is part of organic life; this means that humanity is food for the moon. If all men were to become too intelligent, they would not want to be eaten by the moon...The moon is growing and developing, and at some time it will, possibly attain the same level as the earth. Then, near it, a new moon will appear and the earth will become their sun." Here's another quick example of more Gurdjieff bullcrap: "On the earth we are very far removed from the will of the Absolute; we are separated from it by forty-eight orders of mechanical laws." Yeah, right. And there is plenty more nonsense in the Gurdjieff cosmological system. If you are interested in profound spiritual cosmology, I suggest you turn your attention to Hindu Kashmir Shaivism.

2) If you read Eckhart Tolle, you'll see that he got quite a bit of his muddle-brained psycho-babble from Gurdjieff. Gurdjieff says, "Man is a machine. All his deeds, actions, words, thoughts, feelings, convictions, opinions, and habits are the result of external impressions. Out of himself a man cannot produce a single thought, a single action. Everything he says, does thinks, feels--all this happens. Man cannot discover anything, invent anything." Tolle, sounding like he's channeling Gurdjieff, emphasizes that "the human mind is not at all creative." If you're interesting in seeing Gurdjieff's and Tolle's "Skinnerian"-type arguments eviscerated, read Ayn Rand's "Introduction to Objectivist Epistemology."

Gurdjieff states that the external influence controlling man's behavior on both an individual and mass scale is the planets (including the sun and moon). If the planets control, or dramatically influence, human behavior, then it would seem that astrology would be the most important occult art to study. But Gurdjieff, instead of teaching his students the art and science of astrology, fills their minds with endless cosmological mumbo-jumbo.

3) Gurdjieff calls his gnostic work the "The Fourth Way," contrasting it with the three lesser ways of, respectively, the Fakir, the Monk, and the Yogi. Again, this is a hoot, utterly farcical to anyone deep and eclectically into the mystery traditions. What Gurdjieff teaches is yoga, is Buddhism. And innumerable monks have practiced it. First he emphasizes self-remembrance or mindfulness relative to every aspect of one's being. This is the same as Buddhist Vipassana meditation, which, unlike Gurdjieff's superficial Dharma, goes into great detail regarding the practice. And Tibetan Dzogchen, which exceeds Vipassana, is a quantum leap above his shallow meditation instuctions. Second, Gurdjieff talks about the multiple false `I's that prevent a man from realizing his true transcendental `I," or Self. Hindu Advaita Vedanta, particularly Ramana Maharshi (1879-1950), teaches, through Self-enquiry, to undermine the spurious `I,'s, (really I-thoughts and not separate selves of one's being) and realize the indivisible `I,' or transcendental Self, the Heart. The Buddha also taught this, telling his monks to disidentify from every form, feeling, perception, sensation, and act of attention, in order to realize Nirvana, one's Buddha-nature.

Gurdjieff is bereft of esotericism relative to the en-Light-enment process. For example, he is clueless about Kundalini, calling it the "power of imagination, the power of fantasy, which takes the place of a real function." Contrast this with Ramana's Maharshi, India's foremost twentieth-century guru, who says Kundlalini is just another name for the Self. (In other words, it is the dynamic Energy, or Spirit-power, that accompanies the awakening, or freeing, of one's consciousness.

Gurdjieff is also lacking when it comes to Jesus' teachings. He says, "The Last Supper was magical ceremony similar to `blood-brotherhood' for establishing a connection between astral bodies." Actually, it was a demonstration of the esoteric Eucharist, with the pouring of the wine into the Holy Chalice implying that a true Christian disciple must empty (or impoverish) himself in order to receive the Holy Spirit, the descending, or higher, Kundalini. Strictly speaking, Gurdjieff's teachings cannot be classified as "spiritual," because they have nothing to say about Spirit (or Shakti, or Divine Power) in the en-Light-enment, or Self-awakening, process.

A couple of final points: Gurdjieff emphasizes the need for an organization or group to awaken. He says, "Nothing can be achieved without an organization." Nonsense. Many of the greatest sages awoke sans an organization. A few examples are the Buddha, Ramana Maharshi, and J. Krishnamurti. And the gnostic teachings of these masters are superior to Gurdjieff's. If you're interested in mystical texts that exceed this one, check out my reviews at Amazon.com (and keep checking them out, because I am continually adding new ones).

Meetings with an Unremarkable Book

I read this book 45 years ago, and I decided to give it another read, to see if time had changed my opinion of it. It hadn’t. It’s a colorful narrative of Gurdjieff’s travels that serves as an autobiography of sorts, which fans of Gurdjieff may enjoy. But I found none of the “remarkable men” in this book to be particularly remarkable. In short, the book is bereft of any profound or esoteric spiritual teachings.

Interestingly enough, neither of Gurdjieff’s two signature texts – this one and “Beelzebub’s Tales to His Grandson” (see my one-star review) -- contains any substantive information about his teachings, which reflects negatively on them. Instead, one must turn to a secondary source, “In Search of the Miraculous” by P.D. Ouspensky (see my two-star review), in order to get a comprehensive presentation of them.

To those who have “cracked the cosmic code” and truly grok “the Master Game,” it couldn’t be clearer that Gurdjieff was not a great spiritual master teeming with demystifying insights, like, say, Ramana Maharshi, J. Krishnamurti, or Adi Da. Rather, he was charlatan of sorts who cobbled together byzantine Sufi teachings chock-full of cosmological crap, and cleverly packaged them into a mystery school still alive today in the form of Fourth Way schools that will gladly take your money, but offer you little Enlightenment in return.

$2.99 Smoked

If I’d donated the $2.99 I spent for this Kindle edition to the Clinton Foundation, I’d at least I’d have something to show for my money – 18 cents working to cure diarrhea in Africa, and the other $2.81 providing Bill Clinton with tip money for one of the broads he bangs. But as it is, I’m stuck with a worthless digital copy of “Beelzebub’s Tales to His Grandson,” which is nothing more than a tome of Gurdjieffian gobbledygook that may impress the Fourth Way ignoranti (who are too clueless to know there is no “Fourth Way”), but repulse any rational individual seeking spiritual Truth.

It had been 45 years since I’d perused a copy of this book, and once I read a few pages, I remembered why I didn’t buy a copy after checking it out at a bookstore.

If you enjoy reading nonstop, nonsensical cosmological crap, then don’t let my review discourage you from purchasing this book. But if you’re interested in real esoteric spiritual teachings, rather than the the psedo-esoteric crap produced by Gurdjieff, check out the spiritual teachings/traditions of Ramana Maharshi, Tibetan Dzogchen, Hindu Kashmir Shaivism, Adi Da’s Daism, Christian Hermeticism, and Electrical Spirituality.

{ 27 comments… read them below or add one }

Graham October 31, 2016 at 3:36 am

Hi Ron,
Thank you for calling out Gurdjieff for what he truly was – a larger than life huckster. I remember when I was very young, in the 1950’s, the only out of the ordinary material I could find at the local library were a couple of books by Charles Hoy Fort, a 5 volume set of commentaries on the teachings of Gurdjieff and Ouspesnky by Maurice Nichols, and some J. Krishnamurti. Added together this lot raised more questions than answers. Now in my later years, I find the most helpful and instructive materials all come from the east. Judaism, Christianity and Islam I like to consider but are such minefields of argumentation, social/political issues, scholarly erudition (in a negative sense) and just plain stupidity as to render them almost unapproachable. Howevever, the mystical elements of these have some value.
I wish you all the best. Graham.

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L. Ron Gardner October 31, 2016 at 9:50 am

Thanks, Graham. Glad you appreciate it.

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Federico November 4, 2016 at 8:54 pm

Dear Ron,

I am glad to talk to you again.

I think it would be a great idea if you could make us a deep review of Nisargadatta´s book “I am That”, and more in general, about his peculiar Dharma.

Maybe this great sage deserves a special and extensive post, don´t you think, Ron?

Congratulations for sharing with us (bravely) your always juicy and passionate points of view.

Wish you all the best.

Federico

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L. Ron Gardner November 5, 2016 at 9:16 pm

Hi Federico. I have reviewed “I Am That” at Amazon (see my four star review). I’m not inclined to write further on Nisargadatta, because I don’t think he was a fully Self-realized Heart master on the level of Ramana Maharshi, and I don’t find this book interesting, because all the questions he answers are “soft balls,” and the book is bereft of an esoteric dimension.

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Federico November 6, 2016 at 11:05 pm

Hi Ron.

Thank you, I will read your review al Amazon, did not know it.

Don´t you think that when N. talks and explains about reaching the Absolute – the Parabrahbam – he is touching a true universal (and esoteric) dimension, going beyond the traditional aproach to the Atman/Brahman realization?? this is not the typical sat-chit-ananda hindu assertion, he encourage us to go further.

Maybe ” I am That” is more debtor of the translation of M. Frydman into English – a poetic and pedagogical style for Western people – but when you taste and deepen other books – “Prior to Conciousness”, “The Ultimate Medicine”, etc… – I feel that I am listening a Self-realized master.

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Robert McCoy February 22, 2017 at 9:25 pm

I share your skepticism in some of what is presented in ‘Search’ but there is a way to look at Gurdjieff that leaves out all the ‘oddities’ and just sifts the rest that is actually in line with other paths. That way you don’t throw out the ‘baby’ with the bath water. See link here to ‘The Gnostic Gurdjieff’…

http://whoneedsthehiggs.blogspot.com/p/stand-alone-connected.html

Regards
Robert McCoy

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L. Ron Gardner February 23, 2017 at 8:51 pm

Robert, I’ve read enough of Gurdjieff and Ouspensky. I have no further interest in considering their teachings/writings.

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Robert McCoy February 24, 2017 at 4:17 pm

I understand your position… but you might want to make an exception in this case. This is not an apologist view of Gurdjieff but an objective one… a comparative analysis of what Gurdjieff is saying (not the man or his followers)… a comparison with other paths like the Gnostics, Buddhists, Vedics as well as others… without making excuses for him or any of the controversies surrounding him. That is not a simple task but then again this is not a simple piece. It’s for those who are open, aware, informed, independent and discerning… IE: those that are ‘intelligent’. Since you have graciously posted my earlier comment despite your reservations I suspect you might be one of these individuals.

Regards
Robert McCoy

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L. Ron Gardner February 24, 2017 at 9:05 pm

Nope, I’ve had enough of him, and the Gurdjieff/4th Way Facebook groups that I belong to are pathetic — utterly devoid of profound, enlightening wisdom.

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Robert McCoy February 25, 2017 at 5:05 pm

I guarantee you haven’t read or heard anything like this before… so its not what you think

Regards
Robert McCoy

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E. Snarkovitch March 24, 2017 at 4:42 pm

“I’ve devoted myself to studying, practicing, and teaching original, Zen, and Tibetan Buddhism; Hindu Raja, Jnana, and Tantra yoga; Christian Hermeticsm; the Kabbalah (and Qabala); and the teachings of J. Krishnamurti and Adi Da. I have also practiced astrology professionally, and worked with the I Ching and Tarot.”

Lol.

G would have roasted your idiot big league!

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L. Ron Gardner April 2, 2017 at 7:16 pm

G was a Joke, an overrated Joke.

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Robert McCoy April 7, 2017 at 3:41 pm

That’s a typically good spiritual resume but I wasn’t referring to philosophy so much as presentation. Language in these matter does ‘matter’ and as such it’s not likely that you’ve read anything that reads like this before. Therefore I suggest you take the time to read it first and then comment on how its presented… in a way that is ‘intelligent’. ‘Intelligent’ rebuttals make for good conversation. Good conversation makes for a better understanding… on all sides.

Robert McCoy

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L. Ron Gardner April 8, 2017 at 10:27 am

Robert, I checked out your blog, and again, I’m not impressed with Gurdjieff. Why bother with Gurdjieff when there are better spiritual teachings available?

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Robert McCoy April 8, 2017 at 4:10 pm

Because he’s a Gnostic… disguised as a Vedic… disguised as a Buddhist… disguised as a Taoist… disguised as an esoteric Christian. So its not Gurdjieff the man or Gurdjieff the teacher but deconstructing his individuality from the noise around him. That process is of value to the individual. When you deconstruct the puzzle around Gurdjieff… you’ll more easily deconstruct the puzzle around your Self. And then all the other more ‘obviously’ worthy teachers speak more loudly to you.

IE: if you can ‘get past’ Gurdjieff… the others are ‘easy’.

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L. Ron Gardner April 9, 2017 at 10:34 am

Robert, I’m sorry, but I just don’t share your appreciation of Gurdjieff.

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stephen s. November 11, 2017 at 3:30 am

Wow blogging wonder presses publish and takes down Gurdjieff with a single post, who couldn’t fail to be impressed.

In case readers are not impressed enough we are further informed by with the poster’s risible grandiosity… “I’ve devoted myself to studying, practicing, and teaching original, Zen, and Tibetan Buddhism; Hindu Raja, Jnana, and Tantra yoga; Christian Hermeticsm; the Kabbalah (and Qabala); and the teachings of J. Krishnamurti and Adi Da. I have also practiced astrology professionally, and worked with the I Ching and Tarot.” etc etc… (is that all?). Seems something was lost in translation if you can so easily take this arrogant and dismissive attitude to George Gurdjieff.

Thankfully there are voices who actually knows a thing or two about Gurdjieff and his ideas… having taken the trouble to do a bit of honest digging.

James Moore’s excellent biography of Gurdjieff provides a ton of sources (from those who personally worked with G and were allied to the early movement) that attest to the stature and extraordinary achievements of this remarkable man. Caliber intellectuals of that age such as A. R. Orage (editor of the The New Age), P. D. Ouspensky, Jane Heap and a host of others – (none of them liable to be conned by some species of charlatan) looked closely at Gurdjieff up close and personal and placed the stamp “authentic” on both the man and his work. He was the real deal. It is easy for some latter-day pundit to take a cheap shot without producing the goods that remotely match what those in-the-know have been able to produce by way of compelling evidence.

For anyone with an interest in Gurdjieff’s cosmology I would recommend Basarab Nicolescu’s excellent paper “Gurdjieff’s Philosophy of Nature” described as “A particle-physicist’s bold, rigorous exploration of the relationship between Gurdjieff’s cosmological mythos and leading theories in physics and cosmology.”

http://imagomundi.com.br/quarto_caminho/nicolescu.pdf

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Thank you November 26, 2017 at 5:26 am

Thanks for the information

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L. Ron Gardner November 26, 2017 at 5:25 pm

You’re welcome.

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Steve December 23, 2017 at 5:17 pm

Mr Gardiner;
It is evident to me as well as any other thinking human Being that you are as a blind man claiming he sees what others cannot see. Your mere reference to this Hindu Kashmir Shaivism reveals how much you do not know, understand perceive. First of all the religion of Hinduism has more than a million gods. Which of these gods affirms this Hindu Kashmir Shaivism philosophy??? No they as well as you are without understanding and certainly with out wisdom. (I could go into this on a much deeper level but I really don’t have time for this now) Let me state unequivacially your dissertation/negation on the fourth way teachings shows your ignorance and the fact that you are just as asleep as the rest of humanity. I suggest you become a student of a kind of wisdom. A wisdom that is much more sublime and deeper than the new age non sence out there. However Since you claim to know more than Gurdjieff and Ouspensky good luck in finding such a Teaching. However my suggestion combines Wisdom and a bit of honesty, honesty in the admission that you do not really know anything. And the little knowledge you may have accumulated can not touch the kind of teaching you need to find your way out of the morass (with an emphasis on the ass) you have created in your own mind and most likely your life. Good Luck;
Steve

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L. Ron Gardner December 23, 2017 at 6:38 pm

Siva in Kashmir Shaivism is not a god, but the Divine Being himself.

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J. van Steen February 5, 2018 at 6:42 pm

Gurdjieff’s teachings expressed in the books of ouspensky, nicoll, vayasea and Sallzman are revealing all old religieus systems in an new, special “Langeuge”.

Your level of “being” was, when you wrote your command and read in search” where like an pig in the mud – thinking he is in an position to judge and +/- gods.

The teaching is called “the work”, beginning with practical self observation, alllong the lines of the esoteric knowleds. This knowlede comes not from the earth but is above men. When you begin with the work you see you are identified and able to kill.

You are an big ego and not see it.

Hahahaa thats the definition of an charlatan itself.

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L. Ron Gardner February 5, 2018 at 11:36 pm

J. van Steen, I recently reviewed Robert Saltzman’s “The Ten Thousand Things” at Amazon, and gave it one star. Saltzman is a hubris-bloated idiot, without a clue about real spirituality. I also reviewed Ouspensky’s “In Search of the Miraculous,” and gave it two stars.

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Alexander February 14, 2018 at 11:53 am

While i agree that most people into the Fourth Way might be deluded and have never obtained much there, it seems to me your “critique” is somewhat childish.

It reminds me of when Marco Polo brought back to Venice some Chinese banknotes, still unknown in Europe, and someone at the court of the Doge burned a banknote to show that paper money has no value.

In other words you take some sentence that fits your agenda and pretend that the meaning of those teachings is the meaning you found, the literal one, instead of looking through the glass, which can only happen when and if some events happen to you. Think about it, would Ramana Maharshi bash Gurdjieff the way you do?

It looks like this, you have a bone to pick with Gurdjieff because you didn’t find the treasure, and so you resort to mock him and insult him.

You write “I am a mystic-philosopher”, “I’m an expert”. Holy cow, makes me feel second-hand shame.

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JP January 11, 2022 at 10:44 pm

No need to say the last sentence. Wishing Ron more light and all the best from Alexander and I.

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Rob Thomas June 13, 2024 at 5:24 pm

“I’ve devoted myself to studying, practicing, and teaching [pompous, self-aggrandizing drivel snipped]”.

Wow, you are the very model of a modern esoterologist! All that study, and this is the best you can do? Literal-minded (willful?) misinterpretations of Gurdjieff”s allegorical cosmology? Infantile insults? A parade of your alleged authorities? All without an iota of actual evidence or argument? Most impressive!

In fact, your laundry list of areas of “study” suggests the very opposite of what you intend. In a word, it suggests that you are one of those perpetual dilettantish seekers who constantly seeks, but never finds anything. (Hint: The surest way to get lost is to find yourself on a “path”.)

Although I do find value in Gurdjieff/Ouspensky, and I like the way that they frame certain questions and problems, I am not Fourth Way acolyte, and I appreciate intelligent critiques of them. But aside from the observation that indeed, one does not need to find a group or a school, this isn’t one of those critiques.

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L. Ron Gardner June 14, 2024 at 5:46 am

Rob, like I wrote in my review, Gurdjieff’s teachings are unimpressive and hooey-infested. I’m hardly a “dabbling dilettante.” When I write on a tradition — be it Madhyamaka, Yogacara, Zen, Dzogchen, Christian Mysticism, Kabbalah, Advaita Vedanta, Kashmir Shaivism, Daism, et al.– I always provide profound, demystifying commentary and insights. I wish I could find a peer engaged in the same work I am, but I seem to be a man on an island.

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